cluster sizes vista

Has anyone tried formatting their hard drive with the Vista Recovery Console with a cluster size above the default 4096 and then either tried restoring a "CompletePC Backup" or then installing Vista? When I did a restore it forced me to format the hard, I haven't tried doing a fresh install to see if it also forces you to reformat. I used Partition Magic in XP to change the cluster size on my disk but it doesn't work with Vista. The only other software I could find was Partition Manager but that also doesn't work with Vista. Anyone know of something that does?

Stephen F.

Steven
1) I don't think that Vista *has a "Recovery Console."* MSFT finally had the sense to kick this bumbling, awkward, inefficient, and 95% of the time unsuccessful utility at repairing Windows XP no starts to the curb although on a dual boot of XP and Vista it can be useful to get a couple things done for Vista from the XP Recovery Console. Vista subs Win PE for the Recovery Console. What exactly are you using to format?
2) I'm also not sure but when you talk about "restoring a Complete PC Backup"--are you talking about using Win RE or the System Recovery Options and the Startup Repair tool?
3) Several people have reported problems getting PM to work on Vista, although again in a dual boot with XP you might get it to impact your Vista space (drive volume, whatever from XP). PM is manufactured/run by Symantec now, and even though they probably employ many of the former Power Quest team, Symantec distinguishes itself by being the last to become compatible with a Windows Operating System. Since recently Symantec has sued it's Platinum partner MSFT in (strange behavior from Platinum megabillion dollar homies isn't it?), I wouldn't expect Symantec to be rocket fast in getting PM Vista compatible, and in fact one of the measures for relief sought by Symantec could be to hold Vista's release. Even when there isn't litigation between these two, as in the case of XP SP2, there wasn't any activity to get compatibility until the week of XP SP2's release.
Symantec sues Microsoft over trade secrets http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003003687_websymantec18.html
Veritas Operating Corporation v. Microsoft Corporation C06-0703 05/18/2006 http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:8GOJZo9IC14J:seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/business/links/symantecsuit.pdf+western+district+of+washington+veritas+v.+microsoft&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
4) I'm confused on your question about a fresh install of Vista requiring you to "format."
CH
"Stephen J. Froman" wrote in message

Has anyone tried formatting their hard drive with the Vista Recovery Console with a cluster size above the default 4096 and then either tried restoring a "CompletePC Backup" or then installing Vista? When I did a restore it forced me to format the hard, I haven't tried doing a fresh install to see if it also forces you to reformat. I used Partition Magic in XP to change the cluster size on my disk but it doesn't work with Vista. The only other software I could find was Partition Manager but that also doesn't work with Vista. Anyone know of something that does?

Stephen F.

I won't even let Symantec software in the same room as my pc., let alone install it. It's the most poorly coded crap I've ever seen, they can't even write a proper uninstaller.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message

Steven
1) I don't think that Vista *has a "Recovery Console."* MSFT finally had the sense to kick this bumbling, awkward, inefficient, and 95% of the time unsuccessful utility at repairing Windows XP no starts to the curb although on a dual boot of XP and Vista it can be useful to get a couple things done for Vista from the XP Recovery Console. Vista subs Win PE for the Recovery Console. What exactly are you using to format?
2) I'm also not sure but when you talk about "restoring a Complete PC Backup"--are you talking about using Win RE or the System Recovery Options and the Startup Repair tool?
3) Several people have reported problems getting PM to work on Vista, although again in a dual boot with XP you might get it to impact your Vista space (drive volume, whatever from XP). PM is manufactured/run by Symantec now, and even though they probably employ many of the former Power Quest team, Symantec distinguishes itself by being the last to become compatible with a Windows Operating System. Since recently Symantec has sued it's Platinum partner MSFT in (strange behavior from Platinum megabillion dollar homies isn't it?), I wouldn't expect Symantec to be rocket fast in getting PM Vista compatible, and in fact one of the measures for relief sought by Symantec could be to hold Vista's release. Even when there isn't litigation between these two, as in the case of XP SP2, there wasn't any activity to get compatibility until the week of XP SP2's release.
Symantec sues Microsoft over trade secrets http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003003687_websymantec18.html
Veritas Operating Corporation v. Microsoft Corporation C06-0703 05/18/2006 http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:8GOJZo9IC14J:seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/business/links/symantecsuit.pdf+western+district+of+washington+veritas+v.+microsoft&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
4) I'm confused on your question about a fresh install of Vista requiring you to "format."
CH
"Stephen J. Froman" wrote in message Has anyone tried formatting their hard drive with the Vista Recovery Console with a cluster size above the default 4096 and then either tried restoring a "CompletePC Backup" or then installing Vista? When I did a restore it forced me to format the hard, I haven't tried doing a fresh install to see if it also forces you to reformat. I used Partition Magic in XP to change the cluster size on my disk but it doesn't work with Vista. The only other software I could find was Partition Manager but that also doesn't work with Vista. Anyone know of something that does?

Stephen F.

It is Win PE, after the lang option when you boot off the DVD the Recovery Option below the Windows Vista Install window. I went through that to get to a command prompt to run "diskpart", a command line version of Disk Management found in Computer Management, I used it to format the drive. The "CompletePC Backup" is a new option in the backup utility on Vista. I hadn't thought of using PM from XP to do it. Thanx
Stephen F.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message

Steven
1) I don't think that Vista *has a "Recovery Console."* MSFT finally had the sense to kick this bumbling, awkward, inefficient, and 95% of the time unsuccessful utility at repairing Windows XP no starts to the curb although on a dual boot of XP and Vista it can be useful to get a couple things done for Vista from the XP Recovery Console. Vista subs Win PE for the Recovery Console. What exactly are you using to format?
2) I'm also not sure but when you talk about "restoring a Complete PC Backup"--are you talking about using Win RE or the System Recovery Options and the Startup Repair tool?
3) Several people have reported problems getting PM to work on Vista, although again in a dual boot with XP you might get it to impact your Vista space (drive volume, whatever from XP). PM is manufactured/run by Symantec now, and even though they probably employ many of the former Power Quest team, Symantec distinguishes itself by being the last to become compatible with a Windows Operating System. Since recently Symantec has sued it's Platinum partner MSFT in (strange behavior from Platinum megabillion dollar homies isn't it?), I wouldn't expect Symantec to be rocket fast in getting PM Vista compatible, and in fact one of the measures for relief sought by Symantec could be to hold Vista's release. Even when there isn't litigation between these two, as in the case of XP SP2, there wasn't any activity to get compatibility until the week of XP SP2's release.
Symantec sues Microsoft over trade secrets http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003003687_websymantec18.html
Veritas Operating Corporation v. Microsoft Corporation C06-0703 05/18/2006 http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:8GOJZo9IC14J:seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/business/links/symantecsuit.pdf+western+district+of+washington+veritas+v.+microsoft&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
4) I'm confused on your question about a fresh install of Vista requiring you to "format."
CH
"Stephen J. Froman" wrote in message Has anyone tried formatting their hard drive with the Vista Recovery Console with a cluster size above the default 4096 and then either tried restoring a "CompletePC Backup" or then installing Vista? When I did a restore it forced me to format the hard, I haven't tried doing a fresh install to see if it also forces you to reformat. I used Partition Magic in XP to change the cluster size on my disk but it doesn't work with Vista. The only other software I could find was Partition Manager but that also doesn't work with Vista. Anyone know of something that does?

Stephen F.

Partition Magic sees the Vista hard drive as a "BAD" partition and won't let me doing anything other than format it. Only other thing to try is format the HD to 64K cluster size and then try a fresh install which may just turn out to be a waist of time. I wish Microsoft would include a utility that would allow you to make changes like that to the primary HD.
Stephen F.

"Stephen J. Froman" wrote in message

It is Win PE, after the lang option when you boot off the DVD the Recovery Option below the Windows Vista Install window. I went through that to get to a command prompt to run "diskpart", a command line version of Disk Management found in Computer Management, I used it to format the drive. The "CompletePC Backup" is a new option in the backup utility on Vista. I hadn't thought of using PM from XP to do it. Thanx
Stephen F.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message Steven
1) I don't think that Vista *has a "Recovery Console."* MSFT finally had the sense to kick this bumbling, awkward, inefficient, and 95% of the time unsuccessful utility at repairing Windows XP no starts to the curb although on a dual boot of XP and Vista it can be useful to get a couple things done for Vista from the XP Recovery Console. Vista subs Win PE for the Recovery Console. What exactly are you using to format?
2) I'm also not sure but when you talk about "restoring a Complete PC Backup"--are you talking about using Win RE or the System Recovery Options and the Startup Repair tool?
3) Several people have reported problems getting PM to work on Vista, although again in a dual boot with XP you might get it to impact your Vista space (drive volume, whatever from XP). PM is manufactured/run by Symantec now, and even though they probably employ many of the former Power Quest team, Symantec distinguishes itself by being the last to become compatible with a Windows Operating System. Since recently Symantec has sued it's Platinum partner MSFT in (strange behavior from Platinum megabillion dollar homies isn't it?), I wouldn't expect Symantec to be rocket fast in getting PM Vista compatible, and in fact one of the measures for relief sought by Symantec could be to hold Vista's release. Even when there isn't litigation between these two, as in the case of XP SP2, there wasn't any activity to get compatibility until the week of XP SP2's release.
Symantec sues Microsoft over trade secrets http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003003687_websymantec18.html
Veritas Operating Corporation v. Microsoft Corporation C06-0703 05/18/2006 http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:8GOJZo9IC14J:seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/business/links/symantecsuit.pdf+western+district+of+washington+veritas+v.+microsoft&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
4) I'm confused on your question about a fresh install of Vista requiring you to "format."
CH
"Stephen J. Froman" wrote in message Has anyone tried formatting their hard drive with the Vista Recovery Console with a cluster size above the default 4096 and then either tried restoring a "CompletePC Backup" or then installing Vista? When I did a restore it forced me to format the hard, I haven't tried doing a fresh install to see if it also forces you to reformat. I used Partition Magic in XP to change the cluster size on my disk but it doesn't work with Vista. The only other software I could find was Partition Manager but that also doesn't work with Vista. Anyone know of something that does?

Stephen F.